I’ve spoken with a lot of people over the years who found us by searching for M.O.R.E. Inc. because of a direct mailing they did. After several hours of research and speaking with people who tried some of their opportunities, all I can say is HOLY CRAP! I’ve never seen a BBB report this bad, in fact I’ve never seen them put so much commentary in any report.
What they do in a nutshell is offer several different types of business opportunities with cost in the $2,000 to $5,000+ range. They do something which legally cannot be done, and that is they guarantee success (and that you don’t have to know anything or do any work). This is like your stock broker guaranteeing that a stock you buy will go up, it can’t be done. A business is a risk and you don’t know if you’ll succeed or fail, and they don’t know either.
They also make you sign a waiver so you can’t get a refund after 30 days (which actually means nothing, you can still do a chargeback on your credit card if you used one, up to the time limit set by your issuing bank). So you sign up for one of their opportunities and then pay them to advertise by post cards or Internet ads and if you haven’t spotted it yet, that’s a huge conflict of interest. They make money based on what you spend on advertising from that point onwards. They don’t share in profits or have any other motivation than to keep you spending.
The products
They have products like “20-MILLION-IN-20-MONTHS” where you then pay them to advertise your 50 cookie cutter web sites (which they claim is worth over $32,000). Also they have a $997 “Ruthless Marketing Attack” where they “guarantee” you’ll make $100,000 in a year or they’ll send you a check for $1,500. Please… the sales copy for that one just makes me ill.
Don’t ask questions
Several I spoke to pointed out one odd thing, and that there’s no reporting on income, they just send you a check (if you make anything) and they don’t account for traffic or even tell you who bought what. The most I’ve heard of anyone making from the $5,000 post card mailing campaign was twelve dollar after a year.
The MORE Inc. BBB Report
Some info from the M.O.R.E. Inc. BBB report, which is the worst one I’ve ever seen. Usually the BBB doesn’t put comments into a file, they just keep to statistics. The place has an “F” rating and 78+ complaints on file. Here’s some of the best tidbits from it:
“The company has failed to substantiate advertising claims when requested by the BBB on December 21, 2007 and February 7, 2009.
The business claims the following through mailings and faxes: Average customers have earned between $20,000 and $100,000 per month $10,000 can be earned in the first week prior to “know(ing) anything; and the referenced bonus gifts are worth $97,760.
The business has also sent out mail and fax communications stating that their firm is having “big problems” and asking the recipient to assume an equity position in their firm. The BBB requested that the business clarify the nature of the problem and they failed to do so.
The BBB has received a pattern of complaints from consumers that have stated their website set up by the company did not generate traffic, therefore they did not receive any income from the website.”
This just takes my breath away. I think M.O.R.E. Inc. is a place that’s great at making money for themselves off business opportunity seekers, but they suck at making it for anyone else.
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Thanks for the info. I just received this slick mailer and my instincts were correct. For anybody that gets this stuff in the mail all you have to do is Google their name. You will find out all you need to know. I don’t understand why these scams can’t be shut down.
Thanks for info.. Just saved me 29 bucks i couldn’t afford to waste.
I learned a lot from this article and will definitely keep it in my RSS. Thanks for taking the time to expand upon this issue so throroughly. I look forward to future posts.
Thank you for the heads up I was just about to send this guy some money all I wan to do is find something that could help me spend more time with my son.
I’VE BEEN GETTING MAILERS FROM T.J. FOR 20 YRS. I GOT SUCKERED AT LEAST ONCE.
GLAD I GOOGLED HIS NAME, MAYBE SAVED ME SOME MONEY.
Yeah they won’t give up easy. I’ve heard of More Inc sending mass mailings for many years if you get on their list. They never really give up…
Thanks for the info. This crack pot has just come out with another on for $37.00
Beta-Tester yea right.
Thanks for the info. This crack pot has just come out with another one for $37.00
Beta-Tester yea right.
Just got a booklet in the mail titled “Beta 2010, How to Get Guaranteed BIG MONEY for Life!” by T.J. Rohleder America’s Blue Jeans Millionaire. On the cover it also states: This Book Willl Show You How My Company Will Give You $15,648.20 for becoming a Special BETA-TESTER for Our Guaranteed Money Breakthrough!
On the inside cover it says “….how my company will give you $15,648.20 in real value,…..
Also states this is just like what Microsoft does….oh really? Someone should ask Microsoft….if they charge their testers…
For the $37.00 Administration fee, that is said to be refundable at once….you get 50 web-sites, the $24.95 per mo web hostine fee, is free for 3 years, a $898.20 value….
Sound too good to be true? OH Yeah! Why would he even charge a $37.00 administraion fee, if this is so great…..?!!
Oh I forgot, If you send in the application by Fax or Mail, (no mention of a web site,) right now, you will also get a free gift guaranteed to be worth $595.00!
Yes I threw it away…..
Cuff,Stuff, and stack this T.J Rohleder in the nearest Penal Institution with the rest of the crooks & cons. Shame on him fro preying on needy people and ones who really need help. Ecspecially with unemployment being so high and coming out of a recession.
Hey Kathryn,
Yep when you see the word “guarantee” with a business opportunity it’s time to break and run. It’s actually illegal to guarantee any business opportunity (and also any other investment where risk is involved). More Inc sales reps will even tell you it’s guaranteed on the phone, and that you’ll make all the money back before your credit card gets billed. What a load of crap. 50? You can get a couple thousand affiliate web sites for free at Clickbank, doesn’t mean anyone will ever see them unless you know what you’re doing. It’s also illegal to claim “value” for something if you’ve never actually sold those products for that amount, you can’t just make up a number and say it’s worth that much…
I can tell when they do a big product mailing because traffic to the review spikes and people call about the package and brochures they got. That place is a nightmare, but they do get the naive’ ones who don’t research them.
Why is T J Rohleder not in jail allready? My dad is 84 years old and gullible. I have to read crap like his “Beta 2010″ every week and explain to my dad that its yet another SCAM trying to get his money. I don’t understand how these crooks can keep sending out these scam letters and not get in any trouble! Is there anything I can do to stop these scammers? Arn’t they breaking the law? How can they say Guaranteed when its simply not true?
I got a package in the mail a few years ago from this guy talking about a beta test. I decided not to participate. Then I get another one in the mail today. Since when does a legitimate company charge you to test their product? I am an opportunity seeker but could someone please show me a real opportunity!!! I am on several mailing list and all I get is a bunch of junk!!!
Check this out got this T.J Rohleder how to get guaranteed big money for life book for beta-tester they have a web site so i asked what is the hidden catch and they siad there is none ummmm….yeah right… there is always a hidden catch. almost bought into this untill i googled this scam head and checked the company out on the BBB website man F’s all the way. As the great buddha says: if the rose smells to good becareful of the hidden bee because it will sting. in other words if it is to good to be true than it is.
This company suckered me for around $3000 by the time they wrung me out and hung me out to dry. STAY FAR AWAY FROM THEM! They have many ways to sucker you out of your money. I can’t believe a company like this has not been investigated yet for all of their outrageous fraudulent claims. It is obvious to me that the only ones making money are them off of poor victims like us. I now believe that parasites like this exist to teach us all to become less naive and trusting of others. Remember that cash is king and some will do anything to part you from it. There is no such thing as taking a little loss and chalking it up to experience. Money is very hard to come by for the honest and trusting rest of us so be very careful who you give it to. Do your due diligence and search for reviews on the internet. I have been “saved” by this method on numerous occasions. It doesn’t take long for people to complain that they have been scammed by a company and post that complaint on the net.
It is well stated by the above. MORE always wants more but has no accountability for the funds asked for any purpose. Their slogan
It is well expressed by the above. MORE always wants more, but there is no accountability for the funds they acquire from you. Their slogan “we do it all for you,” means we keep everything. They will not even receipt funds committed to them.